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Posted on Tue, Oct 4, 2011 : 10:43 a.m.

Michigan's No. 2 scoring defense good enough for fans ... but not for players, coaches

By Kyle Meinke

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Ryan Van Bergen on Michigan's defense: "Where could we potentially be if we continue to get better? That's the question the defensive guys are asking themselves.

Melanie Maxwell | AnnArbor.com

A month into last season, the Michigan football team's defense was among the 20 worst in the country

A month into this season, it's second best.

It's a remarkable turnaround, considering the depths to which that unit sank the past two years. Now, the No. 12 Wolverines (5-0, 1-0 Big Ten) are fresh off a 58-0 shellacking of Minnesota, their first shutout of a Big Ten team in a decade.

That's the biggest win in the history of the more-than-century-old rivalry. Yet, it's not good enough.

"It looks encouraging, if you look at the stats and watch the game as a fan," defensive tackle Ryan Van Bergen said Monday during the team's weekly news conference.

"But as a player, when you know what other guys are capable of, and you know what their assignment was, and you still are able to make the play regardless of the fact someone might have had a (missed assignment), or a small mental error, you want to see the team play clicking on all cylinders."

If this is what Michigan looks like defensively when it's not clicking on all cylinders, then what will it look like when it is?

Not like it has the past three years, certainly. The Wolverines seem to be turning a corner many thought they wouldn't only a year removed from allowing 35.2 points per game.

Now, Michigan is allowing a paltry 10.2. Only Alabama is better.

Yet, there still are critiques.

Van Bergen said when defensive coordinator Greg Mattison entered the room for their Sunday film session, he wasn't congratulatory. Rather, he focused on some first downs they shouldn't have allowed and a couple missed assignments.

Coach Brady Hoke said "we still don’t blitz worth a dog, period."

"They'll tell you exactly what you need to hear, regardless of whether it's what you want to hear or not," Van Bergen said.

Players have fed off that never-good-enough philosophy, even adopting it as their own. Here's Van Bergen's assessment of where one of the country's best defenses is right now:

"We're OK, but right now, it's, 'Where's the ceiling? Where could we potentially be if we continue to get better?'" he said. "That's the question the defensive guys are asking themselves.

"We realize we haven't played as good as we could, yet we have the stats we do."

Hoke said his staff has begun to taper introducing new schemes -- Michigan is running a 4-3 after using a 3-3-5 last year -- to ensure players master what they already know and focus on fundamentals.

"Better to have 11 guys in position than maybe that great defense that you think you may have called and have guys confused," he said.

Normally, it takes some time for players to pick up a new scheme, particularly at game speed. That, obviously, has not been the case. The secondary has improved each week, as has the defensive line.

"We’ve been a little more disruptive," Hoke said "That’s enabled the linebackers to do their job. I think we put a little bit more pressure at times on the quarterback."

There's also the in-game adjustments, which have helped Michigan get stronger as games progress. The Wolverines are winning the first quarter 28-21, and the rest of the quarters 158-30.

They're winning the fourth quarter 48-7. It has been their best quarter.

Part of that also is a function of Michigan's ability to sustain offensive drives, which has helped to keep the defense off the field — and rested.

"I played 28 plays on Saturday, and there were games last year I played 85-90 plays," Van Bergen said. "When you're only playing limited amount of reps, you can sell out and have the gas (pedal) all the way down through the whole game. That's something everybody's been able to do."

That's all helped to start erasing the embarrassment players experienced the past three years.

"The thing that kind of hit home for us, as the guys who are veterans, was that there were criticisms that we weren't giving our effort, we weren't preparing the way a Michigan defense should, we weren't physical the way a Michigan defense should be," Van Bergen said.

"When we got our new coaches and our new staff, we had the scheme come in, which was great for us, but we also had an unbelievable hunger of, 'Yeah, we accept the fact we weren't where we needed to be last year.'

"We'll do anything and everything to be good this year."

So far, they are.

Kyle Meinke covers Michigan football for AnnArbor.com. He can be reached at 734-623-2588, by email at kylemeinke@annarbor.com and followed on Twitter @kmeinke.

Comments

Hebner

Wed, Oct 5, 2011 : 9:29 a.m.

The issue this week is getting to Persa effectively, as he is the type of QB who takes what you give him. I can imagine that Denard is playing Persa this week. I imagine the defense is focusing on boxing Persa inside the pocket and maintaining the line of scrimmage when he is able to role out. Anyway, our coaches are coaching and that's comforting to know. Our d line has to win in the trenches or it may be a long night. Northwestern is a very good team at home and can beat anyone on any given Saturday when playing there. The challenge is for our defense to continue getting better, and our offense to manage the clock by running the ball. We have to play physical Michigan football.

1st Down

Wed, Oct 5, 2011 : 5:21 a.m.

good point lugemachine....and that improvement during the season...again...speaks to Excellent Coaching. Good teams IMPROVE during the season, as the coaches continue to teach... poorly coached teams get worse during the year.

lugemachine

Tue, Oct 4, 2011 : 8:26 p.m.

"There's also the in-game adjustments, which have helped Michigan get stronger as games progress. The Wolverines are winning the first quarter 28-21, and the rest of the quarters 158-30.." All of the 28 first quarter points were scored in the last two games. (There was also a touchdown 8 seconds into the second quarter against the Gophers.) So 28-0 in the first quarter of the last two games combined. Remember a few weeks ago when we were all wondering why the offense couldn't get out of the blocks? That issue seems to be a dead one.

XTR

Tue, Oct 4, 2011 : 5:04 p.m.

Is scoring defense more important than total yard defense? I asked that coz the Sparties will come here and say scoring defense is not important. lolz

1st Down

Wed, Oct 5, 2011 : 3:55 a.m.

Ultimately, yes... IMO because you can give up a lot of yards during situations that are unrelated to the outcome of the actual game...which skew the stats. Garbage time, when you are up big or down big, long pass plays at the end of a half that dont score, return yards etc. The key stats to winning games: Offensive zone pentalties kill you, return pentalties kill you because you start in bad field position, turnovers kill you, lack of 3 and outs and lack of turn overs on defense kill you... yards, you can live with a lot of times...

1bit

Tue, Oct 4, 2011 : 6:47 p.m.

The only stat that matters is the win/loss column.

DonAZ

Tue, Oct 4, 2011 : 5:51 p.m.

"Is scoring defense more important than total yard defense?" If that is measured at the end of the season, yes. But if early in the season a team allows a ton of yards but manages to keep the other team from scoring it's a sign of (a) luck, or (b) some pretty sloppy play coupled with some inept opponents. Eventually a defense that allows a lot of yards is going to be scored upon. Giving up 80 yards but recovering fumbles in the redzone early in the season is nice and all, but I would not want to make a career of it. Better to keep the yards low because high scoring and low yards generally don't go together (unless as the offense is fumbling away a lot of balls backed up to their own endzone).

BlueGator

Tue, Oct 4, 2011 : 5:25 p.m.

Technically, Michigan State and Wisconsin both have scoring defenses BETTER than UM's. They both have a 10.20 points per game allowed average. UM's is also 10.20 if one counts all 5 games, but the NCAA officially dismisses the rain-shortened WMU game. So, UM's "official" PPG average is 10.25. My only real point here is that we can't exactly taunt MSU about PPG allowed. At least not yet. GO BLUE!!!

David Vande Bunte

Tue, Oct 4, 2011 : 5:18 p.m.

I know, right? I don't care if Michigan gives up 800 yards a game...as long as those yards don't include the yard between 1 and the endzone...the number of yards you give up isn't nearly as important as WHICH yards you give up. Some yards are simply more important than others, lol

Henry lu

Tue, Oct 4, 2011 : 4:39 p.m.

The defense issue was not only existed last three years. If you all remembered, both offense and defense coordinators resigned at the same year (2005 or 2004 ?); we hired professional coaches from NFL to teach us "stop run"... The same kids from last three years coming to this year, the results are totally different. It is the coaches that made the difference this time. We should have done this many years ago, But anyway, I am so glad we are on the right track now. Go Blue!

MRunner73

Tue, Oct 4, 2011 : 4:30 p.m.

Nobody believes me about this defense playing in a 1997 manner. To clarify, this 2011 Wolverine defense does not compare with the 1997 roster. After five games in 1997, they were on their way. The 2011 defense will be tested the next two weeks. I would like to predict 10 to 20 points per game during this stretch, on the road. Can they do better? It's in the cards. Will they do worse? Always possible. If the defense holds our next two oppenents, each under 20 points, they will have made a significant accomplishment. Michigan will be favored to win each game. They still lack some depth but they also have played without Cam Gordon all season. The Wolverine defense has a killer instinct, a great deal of hunger and much to prove to themselves in the games to come. The beauty of it all is that the defense has exceeded many of us fan's expectations thus far.

#58ontheroster

Wed, Oct 5, 2011 : 12:19 a.m.

XTR, I beg to differ with your comment that even the coaches didn't know how good the defense would be in 1997. I spoke to Lloyd Carr before the season and he said that the defense will surprise everyone because they were going to be something special. The coaches knew what they had.

1bit

Tue, Oct 4, 2011 : 6:47 p.m.

C'mon guys, they are playing better than the last couple years but they are not the 1997 defense. We don't have the overall talent, depth or Charles Woodson-type player on the field who can take away half the turf away from the opposing team. The team is right - they are good, not great. The B1G, thankfully, is mediocre this year except Wisconsin and we'll have a good run. One game at a time, though...

XTR

Tue, Oct 4, 2011 : 5:06 p.m.

They were similar in a way, because nobody thought that the 97 defense would be that good, not even the coaches. This team could be like that, IF they perform well in the 2 road games ahead.

#58ontheroster

Tue, Oct 4, 2011 : 4:09 p.m.

Bo always emphasized defense. When he first came to Michigan, he said he was going to put the best players on defense. There were some exceptions like the late, great All-American tight end Jim Mandich. Bo always said that "if the other team can't score, they can't win." Defense is the key to winning championships. There has never been a championship team in college football or the NFL with a bad defense. (I can't speak to the thousands of high school teams.) Yost set the tone for the first half century of Michigan football, and Bo set it for the next 40 years. Now, after 3 miserable years of embarrassment Michigan is back to Bo type of football.

David Vande Bunte

Tue, Oct 4, 2011 : 3:22 p.m.

Love it. What this coaching staff is doing is building NFL players. By forcing them to acknowledge their mistakes, even in blowout wins, they learn. The more they learn, the better college football players they become. The better football players they become, the better NFL prospects they become. The more NFL players that come out of Michigan, the more attractive Michigan is to potential recruits. The better recruits we get, the better our team gets. It is this accountability that will help restore Michigan to being MICHIGAN.

Blu-dogg97

Wed, Oct 5, 2011 : 1:43 p.m.

Agreed David.. 100 %